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redblackdemon wrote:this can all be solved with a simple action:BEAT UP CAMERON - let HIM bleed and while we're at itSLAP BORIS IN THE FACE WITH A DEAD FISH TIL HE DIES....(voices in the head go killkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkill........)
Dec 1 11 1:13 PM
Bow Deane wrote:Fuck you socialist assholes.Get to work and do what you need to do to survive.We owe you nothing. Losers & wankers are destined for the dustbin of history. Bah!Sound familiar? Sound like bullshit? Of course, but the spin wins people. Quit crying and start burning.Bow
First, Luntz instructs the attendees to avoid referring to âcapitalism,â and instead stick to the much more aesthetically pleasing âeconomic freedomâ or âmarket.â âThe public ⌠still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral,â says Luntz. âAnd if weâre seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, weâve got a problem.â Next, Luntz instructs the gathered governors that the phrase âhardworking taxpayersâ is much more politically advantageous than âmiddle class.â âThey cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers,â Luntz says. âWe can say we defend the âmiddle classâ and the public will say, Iâm not sure about that. But defending âhardworking taxpayersâ and Republicans have the advantage.â But the top tip in winning an angry Occupier to your site, Lunt advises, is to show some compassion. Understand where theyâre coming from, their struggle to meet ends meet, their never ending search for unemployment. âFirst off, here are three words for you all: âI get it.â ⌠âI get that youâre. I get that youâve seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system.â
Dec 1 11 1:44 PM
nikkiq wrote:Fucking Tory cunts.
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It was a lie that everyone from the bankers, to the financial experts, to the talking heads on TV insisted was true. And people who questioned those lies were referred to as idiots. Was it wise to buy that snake oil from the banks? No, but then again people are gullible.
Add to that the massive redeuction in the tax rates the upper earners have to pay, deregulation of businesses, costly unfunded wars, the allowing our jobs to be exported for the profit of the very few over the past 30 years and the picture starts becoming clearer what the real problems are. And you seem to think that people who have pensions, have been promised those pensions and now are being told to go pound sand because those pensions are being taken away due to no fault of their own, are idiots?
The last time the wealthy elite in the West uttered the words "let them eat cake" it didn't turn out too well for the elite. This is the West, and while a good many people outside of the top 1% are still doing well, it is the first time since the dawn of the 20th century when there are more people who are heading down the economic ladder as opposed to going up it. That is unacceptable...
I would cut the wealthy elite some slack if they were creating jobs other than in Asia. But they're not. And that is at the root of our problems. No amount of additional tax breaks, or business friendly deregulation, will make them start creating those jobs. So you are against that "single-aim pressure group" who want job creation for workers desperate for jobs which the elite refuse to create?
Dec 1 11 4:36 PM
Libertine 62 wrote:Have you been fully paying attention to the past 30+ years? Maybe it is different over there mate but here people were actually preyed upon, and sometimes even out and out pressured, by the banks to take out loans on/for homes that they, the banks, knew they could not afford. All under the (greedy) guise that the values of homes would go up for evermore. It was a lie that everyone from the bankers, to the financial experts, to the talking heads on TV insisted was true. And people who questioned those lies were referred to as idiots. Was it wise to buy that snake oil from the banks? No, but then again people are gullible.Add to that the massive redeuction in the tax rates the upper earners have to pay, deregulation of businesses, costly unfunded wars, the allowing our jobs to be exported for the profit of the very few over the past 30 years and the picture starts becoming clearer what the real problems are. And you seem to think that people who have pensions, have been promised those pensions and now are being told to go pound sand because those pensions are being taken away due to no fault of their own, are idiots?The last time the wealthy elite in the West uttered the words "let them eat cake" it didn't turn out too well for the elite. This is the West, and while a good many people outside of the top 1% are still doing well, it is the first time since the dawn of the 20th century when there are more people who are heading down the economic ladder as opposed to going up it. That is unacceptable...I would cut the wealthy elite some slack if they were creating jobs other than in Asia. But they're not. And that is at the root of our problems. No amount of additional tax breaks, or business friendly deregulation, will make them start creating those jobs. So you are against that "single-aim pressure group" who want job creation for workers desperate for jobs which the elite refuse to create?
Dec 2 11 8:11 AM
Aeris7 wrote: I'VE FELT THE HATE RISE UP IN ME, KNEEL DOWN AND CLEAR THE STONE OF LEAVES, I WANDER OUT WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE, INSIDE MY SHELL I WAIT AND BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED...
Slap wrote: Sorry, but if you take out a loan you can't afford to pay back you are an idiot.
Dec 2 11 9:03 AM
redblackdemon wrote: Slap wrote: Sorry, but if you take out a loan you can't afford to pay back you are an idiot. this is so very simple thing and doesnt need a politics/economics degree or any knowledge whatsoever to understand...
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Dec 4 11 1:15 AM
Slap wrote:Libertine 62 wrote:Have you been fully paying attention to the past 30+ years? Maybe it is different over there mate but here people were actually preyed upon, and sometimes even out and out pressured, by the banks to take out loans on/for homes that they, the banks, knew they could not afford. All under the (greedy) guise that the values of homes would go up for evermore. It was a lie that everyone from the bankers, to the financial experts, to the talking heads on TV insisted was true. And people who questioned those lies were referred to as idiots. Was it wise to buy that snake oil from the banks? No, but then again people are gullible.Add to that the massive redeuction in the tax rates the upper earners have to pay, deregulation of businesses, costly unfunded wars, the allowing our jobs to be exported for the profit of the very few over the past 30 years and the picture starts becoming clearer what the real problems are. And you seem to think that people who have pensions, have been promised those pensions and now are being told to go pound sand because those pensions are being taken away due to no fault of their own, are idiots?The last time the wealthy elite in the West uttered the words "let them eat cake" it didn't turn out too well for the elite. This is the West, and while a good many people outside of the top 1% are still doing well, it is the first time since the dawn of the 20th century when there are more people who are heading down the economic ladder as opposed to going up it. That is unacceptable...I would cut the wealthy elite some slack if they were creating jobs other than in Asia. But they're not. And that is at the root of our problems. No amount of additional tax breaks, or business friendly deregulation, will make them start creating those jobs. So you are against that "single-aim pressure group" who want job creation for workers desperate for jobs which the elite refuse to create?30+ years? Err, no Lib, I haven't. I'm younger than that mate.Sorry, but if you take out a loan you can't afford to pay back you are an idiot. If a banker told you to jump off a cliff would you? I just want to see people taking some responsibility for the problems that they have been involved in the creation of. I am sick of hearing people blindly blaming the bankers as if some sort of demonic bogey-man hypnotised them into committing to a financial agreement that wasn't viable for them. The financial regulators created an environment that allowed bankers to sell loans they shouldn't have done, bankers decided to sell loans they knew people couldn't afford for the bank's gain, people were stupid enough to take out loans that they couldn't afford and government(s) failed to control the financial regulators correctly to ensure they were doing their job. All are culpable, not just the banks.I bought a house earlier this year and took out a mortgage in order to pay for it. We shopped around and one of the banks offered us, what I considered to be, an unreasonably large amount of money. Did I grab the cash and buy a bigger house? No! Of course I didn't because I would have been at risk of not being able to sustain the payments. Instead I took a smaller mortgage that was within my means and bought a smaller house.As to the pensions point, perhaps I wasn't clear. I think that civil servants in their 20s and 30s who are chanting "What do we want - pensions, when do we want them - now" are idiots as they are not retired so shouting that you want your pension "now" is stupid. Obviously it is difficult to read humour in the written word (particularly on an emotive subject) but that statement was supposed to be funny.Clearly people not getting the pensions that they were initially promised is a problem but I don't see how a strike whilst talks are ongoing is constructive.By "single aim pressure group" I mean the sort of people who campaign against cuts in funding for education but don't care about cuts in health. Or people who spend their whole time trying to reduce carbon emissions by targeting aviation only. Or those whose entire aim in the world is to stop the use of plastic bags in supermarkets. Clearly I am not against a single aim pressure group whose aim is to "make the world a better place".
Dec 4 11 1:29 AM
ctccps wrote:It was a lie that everyone from the bankers, to the financial experts, to the talking heads on TV insisted was true. And people who questioned those lies were referred to as idiots. Was it wise to buy that snake oil from the banks? No, but then again people are gullible.this lie was spread in part by krugman and other left-wing Keynesian economists in order to offset the Nasdaq bubble. those who questioned the lies and called idiots were Austrian economists (i.e. anarcho-capitalists), who rightfully stated the housing bubble was just a continuation of the Nasdaq bubble.Add to that the massive redeuction in the tax rates the upper earners have to pay, deregulation of businesses, costly unfunded wars, the allowing our jobs to be exported for the profit of the very few over the past 30 years and the picture starts becoming clearer what the real problems are. And you seem to think that people who have pensions, have been promised those pensions and now are being told to go pound sand because those pensions are being taken away due to no fault of their own, are idiots?let's look at Singapore, as close as to a free-market as the world's ever seen... they have no capital gains tax, a flat corporate tax rate of 17%, close to zero business regulation, and yet their GOP/ productivity far exceeds the States and Europe, and as a result they only have an unemployment rate of just over 2%.The last time the wealthy elite in the West uttered the words "let them eat cake" it didn't turn out too well for the elite. This is the West, and while a good many people outside of the top 1% are still doing well, it is the first time since the dawn of the 20th century when there are more people who are heading down the economic ladder as opposed to going up it. That is unacceptable...not a result of deregulation and "capitalism," but the end result of State-Capitalism, which has been made possible by society's belief in government's ability to create wealth. money isn't wealth; true wealth is decisive on how much we are able to consume. fiat money creates inflation, driving up prices while wages remain nominally the same, but in reality every day we are receiving a pay cut, thanks to the left's desire to print more and more money to fuel their bridges to nowhere, and government contracts that wind up in the junkyard 2 months later.I would cut the wealthy elite some slack if they were creating jobs other than in Asia. But they're not. And that is at the root of our problems. No amount of additional tax breaks, or business friendly deregulation, will make them start creating those jobs. So you are against that "single-aim pressure group" who want job creation for workers desperate for jobs which the elite refuse to create? and how do you suppose government regulation will create jobs? and what makes you think businesses aren't just moving to Asia because of heavy taxation and regulation? they refuse to create jobs? so lobbying groups and business zoned property taxes are making it increasingly difficult for the little guy to start up his own business, and yet the focus is on those evil elite corporations' refusal to create jobs because we demand them?
Dec 4 11 1:46 AM
Bow Deane wrote:Damn.This shit is pretty fucking obvious and simple. The rich are getting richer at a rate that makes the head spin and yet the very people who are getting crapped on defend the system and vilify the sub-under-working-whatever you want to call us class. Rich people are out for rich people. They do not create jobs unless they can get richer. Right now they are getting richer without creating jobs. Economics is not hard to understand. Everyone wants more. Those who have access to the wealth rig the system in their favor to keep more and keep more out of the hands of everyone else. Unless you are rich--you WILL be screwed.Got it?
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To me the fundamental problem is with 7,000,000,000 of us now inhabiting this planet what are we all going to do for meangingful work?
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